Comments on: CCTV Responds http://china.blogs.time.com/2009/01/14/cctv-responds/ Daily commentary about China by TIME correspondents. Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:17:37 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: conscienceinchina http://china.blogs.time.com/2009/01/14/cctv-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-628 conscienceinchina Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:08:05 +0000 http://china.blogs.time.com/?p=1164#comment-628 john2008obama: I couldn't help to cheer for your great debate and analysis.You are hitting the nail on the head! CCTV wouldn't be CCTV without fakement, casuistry and effrontery. CCP couldn't be CCP without the cheating tools such as CCTV. So, the guys "boycotting" the CCTV are as naive and ignorant as who signed the "charter 08". john2008obama: I couldn't help to cheer for your great debate and analysis.You are hitting the nail on the head!

CCTV wouldn't be CCTV without fakement, casuistry and effrontery.
CCP couldn't be CCP without the cheating tools such as CCTV.

So, the guys "boycotting" the CCTV are as naive and ignorant as who signed the "charter 08".

]]> By: john2008obama http://china.blogs.time.com/2009/01/14/cctv-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-626 john2008obama Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:00:32 +0000 http://china.blogs.time.com/?p=1164#comment-626 rgr101： I do agree with you about CNN's report in Tibet. In my view, CCN did fabricated sth. about Tibet Riots. The difference is CCN and the entire western press are prone to behave like demamogue on foreign affairs, especially something political in China, while remain credible on domestic news. CCTV usually dupe its audience on a majority of civil affairs, even on the air temperature in some cities to keep sweatshops and cheap labors moving. rgr101's argument appeals to a "all things are equal" fallacy, or one-sidedness. And this fallacious logic is often used by CCTV and all mouthpiece in China. A point in case is： Corruption exists in every country, so don't just China. Besides, another ubiquitous pretense is appealing to ignorance. It goes like this: you westerner don't know nothing about China, so please shut up. We Chinese know much more than you Yankee, so we have a say on what happens in China, and China is so big a country, no one could really understand it, for something bad to exist in China is natural and unavoidable. And the ultimate deterrent is sorites: what CCP says is always right, what is right Chinese should follow, what Chinese follow is always right, CCP stands for righteousness. But the secret weapon of Chinese 5jiao party is the combination of arrogation, misleading and the essence of Maoism. All the progress in China is achieved by CCP, without CCP, all Chinese will starve to death. Without CCP, Chinese will still keep killing each other. In sum, all the people in China should know, without the Party, their life would be much worse today. The Party arrogate all the achievement. When it comes to the case like melamine, SARS, corruption, pollution, CCP usually deny their existence at the very beginning, when they can't cover them up, the Party will simply find some scapegoat and call them a clique of...... When people blame the party, the party will try its best to confuse the definition of CCP and China. It will let people believe all those foreigners, or foreiger-hired Chinese insulted China ana Chinese people. rgr101：
I do agree with you about CNN's report in Tibet. In my view, CCN did fabricated sth. about Tibet Riots.
The difference is CCN and the entire western press are prone to behave like demamogue on foreign affairs, especially something political in China, while remain credible on domestic news.
CCTV usually dupe its audience on a majority of civil affairs, even on the air temperature in some cities to keep sweatshops and cheap labors moving.
rgr101's argument appeals to a "all things are equal" fallacy, or one-sidedness. And this fallacious logic is often used by CCTV and all mouthpiece in China. A point in case is： Corruption exists in every country, so don't just China.
Besides, another ubiquitous pretense is appealing to ignorance. It goes like this: you westerner don't know nothing about China, so please shut up. We Chinese know much more than you Yankee, so we have a say on what happens in China, and China is so big a country, no one could really understand it, for something bad to exist in China is natural and unavoidable.
And the ultimate deterrent is sorites: what CCP says is always right, what is right Chinese should follow, what Chinese follow is always right, CCP stands for righteousness.
But the secret weapon of Chinese 5jiao party is the combination of arrogation, misleading and the essence of Maoism. All the progress in China is achieved by CCP, without CCP, all Chinese will starve to death. Without CCP, Chinese will still keep killing each other. In sum, all the people in China should know, without the Party, their life would be much worse today. The Party arrogate all the achievement. When it comes to the case like melamine, SARS, corruption, pollution, CCP usually deny their existence at the very beginning, when they can't cover them up, the Party will simply find some scapegoat and call them a clique of...... When people blame the party, the party will try its best to confuse the definition of CCP and China. It will let people believe all those foreigners, or foreiger-hired Chinese insulted China ana Chinese people.

]]> By: rgr101 http://china.blogs.time.com/2009/01/14/cctv-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-620 rgr101 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:52:38 +0000 http://china.blogs.time.com/?p=1164#comment-620 "Sometimes, Chinese People say: Hi, budy, don't be that CCTV, OK?" As a matter of fact, the saying goes more like this: "hey buddy, don't be so CNN". And yes, CNN stands for lies, fabrication, and distortion in China after its outrageous coverage of last year's Tibetan unrest. And it's true that the US, and the entire western press, are full of propaganda. Only that they are much more accomplished propagandist than their chinese counterpart. The chinese propagandists are utterly out of touch with common folks, while western propagandists are consummated psychologists who are well adept at manipulating and hoaxing people into thinking their masters of their own while being brainwashed. "Sometimes, Chinese People say: Hi, budy, don't be that CCTV, OK?"

As a matter of fact, the saying goes more like this: "hey buddy, don't be so CNN". And yes, CNN stands for lies, fabrication, and distortion in China after its outrageous coverage of last year's Tibetan unrest.

And it's true that the US, and the entire western press, are full of propaganda. Only that they are much more accomplished propagandist than their chinese counterpart. The chinese propagandists are utterly out of touch with common folks, while western propagandists are consummated psychologists who are well adept at manipulating and hoaxing people into thinking their masters of their own while being brainwashed.

]]> By: john2008obama http://china.blogs.time.com/2009/01/14/cctv-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-617 john2008obama Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:03:49 +0000 http://china.blogs.time.com/?p=1164#comment-617 People's good will is doomed to fail. They should pay some attention to "State-run China Central Television". The "state-run" actually means it is run by CCP, not the state. But seriously, in China, nobody give a dime about what CCTV says these days. CCTV is substitue of effrontery, hypocrisy, and sophism. Sometimes, Chinese People say: Hi, budy, don't be that CCTV, OK? People's good will is doomed to fail. They should pay some attention to "State-run China Central Television". The "state-run" actually
means it is run by CCP, not the state.

But seriously, in China, nobody give a dime about what CCTV says these days. CCTV is substitue of effrontery, hypocrisy, and sophism.
Sometimes, Chinese People say: Hi, budy, don't be that CCTV, OK?

]]> By: johnsmith9876 http://china.blogs.time.com/2009/01/14/cctv-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-615 johnsmith9876 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:35:21 +0000 http://china.blogs.time.com/?p=1164#comment-615 At least Wang was frank enough to admit that it is all propaganda. And since he didn't see the difference in responsibility between a government and a news medium, people should expect Chinese news media to behave differently from the Chinese government in terms of "news" reporting. At least Wang was frank enough to admit that it is all propaganda. And since he didn't see the difference in responsibility between a government and a news medium, people should expect Chinese news media to behave differently from the Chinese government in terms of "news" reporting.

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