More Tibet Video

This is a fun piece. I do agree that people who want to publish the wealth of public officials have ulterior motives. These people must be dealt with harshly to keep China stable and harmonized. And Wen is handling the situation extremely well, for himself and for the good of CCP.

http://www.baozuitun.com/blog/?p=61

Sorry for my slowness...I've finally realized that the blockage of YouTube was probably due to the "grass-mud horse" alike.

Simon,
You people are helping the Chinese internet police rid of all “yellow/brown/coffee-color tainted” sites such as YouTube because some of you western journalists were overly enthusiastic for reporting something like “f..k your mother”.

Simon,

The video looks convincing to you?

How come the bats used in the beating look like rubber bands?

Please inform His Holiness this kinds of video do more harm than good to his cause.

well,
is this so surprising? The brutality of the Chinese miliary Police against demonstrators is well-known in China.
However, the brutaliy of the Chinese military police as shown in this video would cause even more hatred of Tibetan people towards the Chinese rule.
The Chinese government could contain the Tibetan protests by force. But if one day the central power of the CCP collapsed, which would certainly occur someday as the CCP refuses to make political reform and no dictatorship can rule forever, then there is a great danger that the Tibetan independence-movement would get out of control.

Amazing!
This video is actually posted on the exile government's official website ...
So, the Dalair is willing to create a warm atmosphere for dialogue with the Chinese government as he claimed to his western audients?
P.S, is it a coincedence that this youtube scandal occurs shortly after Dalair was rejected by the government of South America for a visa to enter into the country?

Just as an observation of reviewing the website link provide by Simon:
Everybody on the planet knows the Chinese government stupidly operates a huge machine of propoganda.
So does every other country although some countries do so in a more subtle and sophisticated way.
Aside from the propaganda, however, the Chinese government does provide some useful information on its website.
The exile government, on the other hand, provides nothing but lie-based propaganda.

Re hard to verify (though they look convincing):

That's the art of Hollywood, Mr.Simon Elegant.
You don't actually have to verify scenes in a 007 movie (say about the former USSR or North Korea) but they, including the Bond Girl, look convincing.

They look convincing because the those who will be convinced have been ready to be convinced and would like to be convinced even before the show

Well, dear River Crabs, if the video weren't real, YouTube wouldn't have been blocked.

Tibetans are posting this video, while requesting dialogue, because for 60 years China as a nation, and now Chinese people themselves, have denied--and denied, and denied, and denied--that anything bad is happening to Tibetans in Tibet.

Until you drop the blind denials, and open your eyes, and see Tibetans with open minds and hearts, see what their lives are really like, there can be little hope of progress.

Here is an interesting talk by one journalist who was on site 14 march. last year.
I suggest that it in some way could offer a clearer picture of what happened.

http://fora.tv/2008/07/09/Earthquakes_and_Games_The_Economist_Covers_China#chapter_10

Denial is endemic in China, and the ccps' counter intuitive approach to governing is documented in Wikipedia for those suffering from this mental illness.
Most of you 'Tinsel Towners', should take in account that your mania is well documented, and there is a cure.

Types of Denial
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DARVO:
A common strategy to Deny the Abuse and then attack the victim for attempting to make them accountable for their offence, thereby Reversing Victim and Offender. ""...I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of law suits, overt and covert attacks on the whistle-blower's credicility, and so on..... [T]he offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed... The offender is on the offense and the person attempting to hold the offender accountable is put on the defense.
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Denial of fact:
This form of denial is where someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood, leaving out certain details in order to tailor a story, or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as "yessing" behavior). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies in order to avoid facts that they think may be potentially painful to themselves or others.
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Denial of responsibility:
This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying. Blaming is a direct statement shifting culpability and may overlap with denial of fact. Minimizing is an attempt to make the effects or results of an action appear to be less harmful than they may actually be. Justifying is when someone takes a choice and attempts to make that choice look okay due to their perception of what is "right" in a situation. Someone using denial of responsibility is usually attempting to avoid potential harm or pain by shifting attention away from themselves.
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Denial of impact:
Denial of impact involves a person's avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms his or her behavior has caused to self or others. Doing this enables that person to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent him or her from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.
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Denial of awareness:
This type of denial is best discussed by looking at the concept of state dependent learning[2]. People using this type of denial will avoid pain and harm by stating they were in a different state of awareness
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Denial of cycle:
Many who use this type of denial will say things such as, "it just happened." Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated. The pain and harm being avoided by this type of denial is more of the effort needed to change the focus from a singular event to looking at preceding events. It can also serve as a way to blame or justify behavior.
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Denial of denial:
This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify with in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviors. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviors which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one's personal behavior. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion.

CATCH 22
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Ha, hah, ha....guess you la-la east racist will have nothing to say since you will be in denial of one of the above categories.

1. Denial is endemic in the CIRCLE WITH DALAI LAMA THE HOLY IDIOT, and the DALAI LAMA THE HOLY IDIOTs' counter intuitive approach to governing is documented in Wikipedia for those suffering from this mental illness.
Most of you 'Tinsel Towners', should take in account that your mania is well documented, and there is a cure.
Types of Denial
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DARVO:
A common strategy to Deny the Abuse and then attack the victim for attempting to make them accountable for their offence, thereby Reversing Victim and Offender. ""...I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of law suits, overt and covert attacks on the whistle-blower's credicility, and so on..... [T]he offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed... The offender is on the offense and the person attempting to hold the offender accountable is put on the defense.
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Denial of fact:
This form of denial is where someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood, leaving out certain details in order to tailor a story, or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as "yessing" behavior). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies in order to avoid facts that they think may be potentially painful to themselves or others.
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Denial of responsibility:
This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying. Blaming is a direct statement shifting culpability and may overlap with denial of fact. Minimizing is an attempt to make the effects or results of an action appear to be less harmful than they may actually be. Justifying is when someone takes a choice and attempts to make that choice look okay due to their perception of what is "right" in a situation. Someone using denial of responsibility is usually attempting to avoid potential harm or pain by shifting attention away from themselves.
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Denial of impact:
Denial of impact involves a person's avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms his or her behavior has caused to self or others. Doing this enables that person to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent him or her from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.
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Denial of awareness:
This type of denial is best discussed by looking at the concept of state dependent learning[2]. People using this type of denial will avoid pain and harm by stating they were in a different state of awareness
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Denial of cycle:
Many who use this type of denial will say things such as, "it just happened." Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated. The pain and harm being avoided by this type of denial is more of the effort needed to change the focus from a singular event to looking at preceding events. It can also serve as a way to blame or justify behavior.
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Denial of denial:
This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify with in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviors. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviors which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one's personal behavior. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion.

sing666, whoever doesn't like the Dalai Lama's form of government (there is no such thing, by the way - the Tibetan Government in Exile is an elected democracy) - whoever doesn't like it, is free to not live under it.

However in Tibet right now, people are forced to live under the Chinese government because they are not allowed to emigrate.

Am I the only non Chinese, no Falun Gong here?

obvious singing is for canaries...and you are in denial of the facts!

I'd love to add some salt to Daliar's rotten wound, inhumanly. Oh, I dont mean that stinking wound in the video since film is just film.

1, Asiaweek reported in Oct. 2000:
---Long-uneasy relations between the Geluk and Karma Kagyu sects were further strained by the Dalai Lama¢®'s intervention in the recognition of the Karmapa Lama. It revived bitter memories of the 1960s, when the Dalai¢®'s brother Gyalo Thondup tried to bring all Tibetan sects under Geluk control ¢®¨£ by force if necessary. When 14 exile settlements united to fight his plan, unrest erupted within the community. In March 1977, settlements leader Gungthang Tsultrim was shot several times at point-blank range. The murderer said he received 300,000 rupees from the Tibetan government-in-exile. He claimed it offered to pay him even more to kill the 16th Karmapa Lama (the current Karmapa is the 17th Karmapa He is only 16 years old).
2,
http://www.karmapa-controversy.org/V...fficultes.html
Excerpts:

---The leaders of 13 large Tibetan settlements created an alliance called 'Thirteen Settlements'. Another large camp from Nepal, led by General Bava Yeshi, joined them, thus becoming 'Fourteen Settlements'. Khamtrul and Chokling Rinpoches were appointed president and general secretary, respectively. In addition, all the high Nyingma and Kagyu lamas - especially the Situ, Gyaltshab, Trungpa, Dhazang, Sachu, Kalu, Thrangu, Bokar and Tenga Rinpoches - followed the Karmapa without question because of his leadership of the Karma Kagyu. Ultimately they prepared to face the Gelug challenge. The stalemate continued for about a decade until the Dharamsala coterie cried it off in 1973. However, for years to come, the Tibetans in exile continued to be polarised into two main groups. Chagrined at not being able to subdue the other orders, the Dharamsala supporters planned to launch a lethal strike. According to the plans, a handful of dissidents were to be eradicated.

When in 1976, Gungthang Tsultrim, the political head of the alliance, was murdered and the assassin confessed to operate on orders from the Tibetan cabinet. Hired for the job, he was paid rupees three hundred thousand by the Tibetan government-in-exile in Dharamsala. The Tibetan government-in-exile had also offered him more money for eliminating the 16th Karmapa, he confessed.
3, Another Buddhism site:
http://www.diamondway-buddhism.org/books/robes.htm
Excerpts:

---Tibetan settlements-mainly refugees from Kham-formed a political alliance and chose Karmapa as their spiritual leader. A powerful and opposite pole to the Dalai Lama and the official line of Dharamsala came into existence. The new coalition fought successfully against the idea of doing away with Tibet's religious diversity, and, in the end, the misguided plan had to be abandoned. But the government could not forgive Karmapa his uncompromising stance in the dispute and his defiance of the Dalai Lama's authority, and the Kagyus became the targets of unsavory attacks. When in 1976, Gungthang Tsultrim, the political head of the alliance, was murdered and the assassin confessed to operate on orders from the Tibetan cabinet, Rumtek (Karmapa's Kagyus sect ) and Dharamsala (Dalai Lama's Geluk sect) drifted farther apart.

And Daliar still owe China a list of 200 deads he claimes killed last year in Tibet and promised to offer to China. But where, after this long year?

When you whack like an idiot, walk like an idiot, chances are, you are an idiot. That is what Dalai Lama really is. End of message.

The best humane way to solve the Tibetan problem.
1. Encourage as many as possible to go to Indian as long as they are not coming back.
2. Build thousands of monasteries around Tibet and encourage them to be monks/nuns.
In three generations, Tibetans population will be cut by 80%. Problem solved. Nobody can accuse Beijing being inhumane.

sing666 have you been drinking?

Reminding:

Simon, seems only one day to go this week. Would you delete this unrelated comment?

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"A link to an unrelated topic (in this case it was about the travails of lawyer Gao Zhisheng, a topic we'll be writing about later in the week, FYI) would be fine"(Monday, March 23, by simon)

The average life expectancy in Tibet has increased to 67 years from 35.5 recorded before its peaceful liberation, according to the Tibetan Autonomous Regional People's Government.

By the end of 2008, Tibet had 220,000 seniors aged above 60, accounting for 8 percent of its population. Among them, 20,000 were over 80 in age and 79 over 100.

Tibet's oldest woman, Arme Tsering , celebrated her 118th birthday at home in the northeastern suburbs of Lhasa on March 16, 2009.

The slaveowners lived an extravagant life while most tibetan people could not live longer than 35.5 years. Where were their huaman rights? They had no human rights, because the slaveowners didn't view them as human beings, they were SLAVES, no right, no dignity.

Nobody, as long as he has conscience, would not campaign for the restoration of slavery and theocracy.

Serfs in all Tibetan areas were overburdened with exorbitant rents in cash or in kind. More than 70 percent of their annual proceeds were taken away by manorial lords, plunging them into dire poverty.

Apart from paying exorbitant rents, serfs had to do all kinds of corvee labor, which was called Ulag.

All the manorial lords, especially the monasteries, were usurers. They cruelly exploited the serfs by forcing them to accept loans at usurious rates of interest or exchange of unequal values. Usurious loans often ruined the serfs and their families or reduced them to beggary or slavery.

The serfs and slaves, who accounted for over 95 percent of the population, were bound for life to the land of the manorial lords, ordered about and enslaved from generation to generation. They were freely given away as gifts, donations or dowries, sold or exchanged for goods. Long shackled by feudal serfdom, the population of the Tibetan ethnic group showed little growth and production stagnated.

From CNN:
"Pope Benedict XVI's claim that condoms do not prevent HIV has led to an international campaign on the social-networking Web site Facebook.

Pope Benedict XVI's anti-condom comments has raised the ire of some Facebook users.

Thousands have pledged to send the pontiff millions of condoms to protest the controversial comment he made to journalists as he flew to Cameroon during his trip to Africa last week."

Spiritual leaders more often than not do harm to our world. If it's not for those brave scientists, mankind is still living in the dark ages.

To Saulaan:

Saulaan says: “now Chinese people themselves, have denied…that anything bad is happening to Tibetans in Tibet”.

---Things not always like that you imagine. Of course the Commies and their flunkies are always denying, yet the Chinese people are not. The unusuality is that some of China's official medias and reporters have ever queried the facts in Tibet released by the authorities, particularly involved south China medias such as “Southern Metropolis Daily(南方都市报)”, “Southern Weekend（南方周末）” and so on. As a result, some of their bosses, editors, correspondents have been fired. For more details, please click:

http://www.rfa.org/cantonese/commentaries/lingfang-12102008121202.html

http://www.secretchina.com/news/243896.html

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saulaan Says:
Thursday, March 26, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Well, dear River Crabs, if the video weren't real, YouTube wouldn't have been blocked.
Tibetans are posting this video, while requesting dialogue, because for 60 years China as a nation, and now Chinese people themselves, have denied--and denied, and denied, and denied--that anything bad is happening to Tibetans in Tibet.
Until you drop the blind denials, and open your eyes, and see Tibetans with open minds and hearts, see what their lives are really like, there can be little hope of progress.