Iran, China, Tiananmen

The opposition party in Iran has been in power before and did not bring in any democratic change to the political system. Young people want change because of the deterioration of economic condition in Iran. It was the same reason why people took to the street in 1989. In order to increase their circulation, Western Media would like to convince us that it is a struggle for democracy and freedom. In Iran, the struggle between the political parties is for the control of the oil ministry and the economic power that goes with it.

The Iranian government should have learned from the Chinese experience: Bring out tanks and machine guns. Tear gas and sticks don't work. And governments should have no qualms with gunning down its own people. If Iran wants to be strong and prosperous like China, Iranian must start mowing down some demonstrators.

And China should sell them Green Dam to stop all the messaging in internet too.

Finally, People's Daily got it right. They finally get Mao on the most wanted list. Mao was on the most wanted list before, for treason and plotting to overthrow a legal government, mass murder, etc. So Mao is no stranger on that list. But don't hold your breath for the Chinese to condemn him for his role in the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward, etc. because that is justice with Chinese characteristics.

The west is slandering China again:
http://tinyurl.com/knv3fa

I, ironically, thus far resisted the temptation not to compare what's happening in Iran and what took place in Tiananmen square in 1989. These two events are so similar in essence:
1) the essence is power struggle within the elites; some are hardliner, the opposite side are pro-west. The pro-West solicit/get support, psychological and monetary from the West and West media. The event is described by the west media as “pro-democracy” instead of power struggle.
2) there is a supreme leader, Deng Xiaoping in China, Khamenei in Iran, who enjoys the support of most of the people and the state machine (including police and military and etc.)
3) Ordinary citizens, particularly youngsters, who don't have a mature, fully development mental ability, not eligible for drinking at least in Tiananmen's case, were used and scarified in the power struggle.
These are the essence of the “color revolutions”. Only in one case, did the “revolution” fail, that is the Tiananmen case; all the rest, led to the collapse of the communism in Eastern Europe.
Which way is better for the Iranians? Compare Eastern European countries and Russia with China…you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the answer…I wish the Iranians, particularly the younger generation the best.
Remember, you are always on the right side of the history, if you are on the West's side, which is the right side, and its value is the universal value, even if you lose the vote in your country.

I KNEW IT!
It would come! And now, it comes, finally, from Mr. Simon Elegant, without any surprise!
As Sing666 pointed out above quite rightly, western media immediately potraited the chaotic situation as a battle between for and against democracy, which probably is not true, or not entirely true. The question is, why? Why everything should be either for or against democracy?
My theory that may offer an explanation of this phenominon is the existance of the crucade culture in the western tradition. This crasade culture has made generations of people in the west to fight for what they believe is the right thing, for everybody. Democracy is just another form of religion in the most recent history. The crusade culture, in my view, is not necessary a good one (though one can hardly say a culture is good or bad) from a world peace perspective.
I am no expert of Iranian politics. But I did make an interesting observation at the election day in front of the Iranian embassy when rushing to a downtown concert. I saw pretty heavy police presence around the embassy. It was a little bit bizard for me to see the unusal police presence at the election day of a foreign country thousands miles away. This is a country made up of people from all over the places. An election in some people's motherlands is not supposed to deserve such attention, at the cost of every tax payers's wallet. Anyway, the Iranian election this time did receive some special treatment. So from the hind sight it looked as if people on this side of world, which is thousands of miles from Teharan, knew the election was going to be a contentious or controvertial one.
So, when the Iranian government and their so-called suprime religious leader accused certain western agencies for their involvement in the chaos, it did not came as a big surprise to me.
Anyway, the death of the King of Pop has suddenly turned every media's attention away from the streets of Teheran. The Iranian leadership must be larghing. At the end of the day, the life and death of hundreds from thousands miles away is certainly not as important as the rumours of a super star back home.

The term "democracy and freedom" is the most abused phrase in human history. Remember revolution war. It was for democracy and freedom although 8% of people were slaves. Both side of the civil war claimed to fight for freedom and democracy. Colonization and annexation of a country called Hawaii was also done in the name of freedom and democracy. Those term was also used by both sides of the two world wars. Japanese claimed that they started world war II for the democracy and freedom of Asian countries colonized by Europeans. I just wish Western Media stop using the term to justify whatever their government does to other countries

I give President O credit for his response to this Iranian thing.
Regardless what the Iranian leadership's accusation against an agency that is supposed to be under his supervision, President O's approach is wise, and in my view, is to the principle.
Well, the right apparently does not like this approach as these are the folks who are deeply biased by their crusade tradition.

Now, I would suggest Mr. Elegant, as a journalist (supposely), to dig into the truth of fact and see whether or not the Iranian leadership's accusation is in fact the real thing or completely a fiction ... If you can actually write a report based on indepth investigation, you are promised to be nominated the highest price for journalist.
Can you do it?
Do you have the courage to do it?

Sing666 is quite right in terms of abuse of democracy and freedom!
Can Mr.Elegant help us and the world find another words to replace these two?

I do agree with 2morrow2 on his opinion on the US president. Obama is indeed very wise in his handelling on this matter. He knows that he will have to work with Iran instead of meddelling...

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Want to know how out of touch the western media is?
Read this post from someone who knows.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF27Ak03.html
Isn't that stupid to claim democracy and freedom in the western sense.

Westerm journalists' misunderstanding and misintepretation on the Iranian chaos and other relevant matters can be explained as a self-service mascurbation.

I clearly remember just a couple of months ago when Indian held its month-long election which killed, according to BBC, over 100 people in the process, mainstream wesern media such as BCC used to term the largest democracy in the world to describe India. The tone was "bravo!!!".

Ok, so India is the largest democracy in the world due to its population and also due to the fact that its runs election.

But what about Iran? Nobody calls Iran a democracy even though it also runs election. Only when the disbute on the election results erupted western media became excited and start to carry out their duty to promote democracy by supporting ... certainly ... the opposition party.

And we also remember not too long ago in 2006 Palestine also ran a legislative election and Hamas won. Well, nobody in the west seemed to be interesting in defending the democratic value by respecting the election results. On the controrary, since Hamas is considerred a terrist group, sanctions were therefore imposed by many western countries to invoice their disapproval of the election results and the choice of the Palestinian people.

So, it appears to me the so-called democracy must serve a purpose. When democracy can be used as a moral weapon to fight against a regime like the CCP of China, democracy is a so-called universal value (so India is a democracy and China is not); but when a democratic process did not produce the results the west wishes to see, then democracy is not a universal value again. In stead, the interest of a nation of a group of nations prevails and the results of the democratic process are rejected. And the western media, who usually see themselves as the defender of the democratic value, remain silence. In fact, the focus of their reports shift to analyzing the national or collective interest, while completely ignoring that their national or collective interest is infact at odd with the democratic value they are supposed to defend.
So, this inconsistency makes the western media look extremely hypocratic in the eyes of the many outside of the so-called western world.
Of course, to many so-called western journalists. This world outside of the western world simply does not exist. So when they say "the whole world is... blah, blah, blah", they actually mean the "western world", which, in terms of the population, is in fact the minority of the world not the majority.

Do the nutheads who comment here even read the news? Mousavi is pro-West? Eastern Europe/Russia is worse off now than when it was Communist? Russia just denounced the violence in Iran, you fools. And I'm sorry you didn't pass kindergarden, but Russia is part of Europe - the 'West'. Don't worry, I'm the first person who would agree that Chinese people are too unsophisticated and uncivilized to deserve democracy. Chinese need to be controlled. Chinese are evil and can't be trusted with freedom. Chinese are inferior and can't live with other people in the world. But my question is: since you hate the 'West' and its media so much, why do you even bother with it? Go back to your beloved Chinaland and work for the CCP if it's so great. But wanshui wanshui wanwanshui to Mao Zedong that you don't starve or get jailed in a laogai for being a spy for the 'West' as a haigui.

It strikes me that bylooker/2morrow/sing666, if they aren't the same person, reside or have resided in the States and seem to be of Chinese ethnicity. If so, I beg you, on behalf of all Chinese people, please go home. The West, including Taiwan, HK and the other free Asian states, don't welcome you and your mainland complexes. You make the whole Chinese race look bad with all your hatred and lack of civilization. If I were from another race, I'd hate the Chinese too. So stop being so CCTV and stop acting like a hanjian. The moon is not rounder here in the West. Lower your head and think about your village. The Communists would love you back at home slaving for their corrupt officials. GO HOME PLEASE

You nuts!!!
Sorry!Where is your home? Much of the lands that you called home today belonged to the obrigional people not too long agon in historic sense. And many landclaim matters are still not settle, yet!Now, I am not interested in discussing who belongs to where. But when someone's emotion erupted he/she has to be reminded of the history and the fact so that he understands he probably has no moral high ground to claim, and therefore thank GOD he may be able to start think of things such as the meaning of democracy and interest, and how democracy may or may not serve personaly or collective or national interest, and what to do when democracy does not in fact serve personal or colelctive or national interest.
These are valid questions!
These questions won't go away simply because someone's emotion erupts and the moral highground is claimed.
Opinions are opinions. Opinions won't become truth unless they are tested with critical challenges.
So, calm down, and think. With brain not toes.
Thank you!

Certainly, not butt as well.
Unfortunately, in reality, for many people where the butts sit determines how the brains work.
And they don't even want to move their butts a bit to see things from a slightly or significantly different perspective.
Yet, these people claim they love democracy and they are defenders of democratic value.
So, their democracy has been simplfied as casting votes on things. Their democracy is some butts win and other butts lose.
Unfortunately, if we let this type of butt democracy keep going, God probably won't treat us well for too long as he has treated us thousands of years.

In terms of sophiscation, well, Chinabreifing, and I usually don't call people's name if I disagree with them, this is perhaps the first time, you are way below the level acceptance of becoming a graduate of a kingdergarden for your knowledge and understanding of the world and human civilzation as demonstrated in the above commentation.

One more note:
No "sorry" to the racist nutt Chinabriefing.
But "sorry" to everybody, including Mr.Elegant, who may or may not agree with my opinion.

Another note:
I just realized after reading another post the chance for this Chinabriefing nutt to be a "white" is near "0". So, I probably should not say this "lands belong to whom" thing in my first post after reading his comment. This pathetic racist, who probably is not qualified to be a racist by vertue of his own race, is most likely a seperatist whose dream is to make the island of Taiwan the 51st state of the US, or a county of Japan; or a Tibetan slave master who can dream nothing but the glorious old days. This idiot hates his ancestors, or his close relatives so much that he has turned himself into a ridiculous scphy who hates himself so much.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/06/jersey.police.beating/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Without the video tape from the near-by tavern, this poor guy would have ended up in jail for resisting arrest. One might think black would be treated better this day with a black president in the white house. The truth is that the more things change, the more things stay the same.

chinabriefing,
you read too much news, I guess, that's how you learn enough to be able to graduate from kindergarden. Look at your manner, I guess that is your highest degree to date...

If you are so sick of us, you can skip our comments and read only those by sing666, if you are not the same person...

by the way, how can you "beg on behalf of" Chinese? who are you? CCP or CCTV? Mr Simon Elegent is so sick of China's suffocating political system, air pollution and so on and so forth that he stays in Beijing to enjoy his expat deal... should I beg him on behalf of all Chinese, "go home, please"...

My advise to you is, go to those Eastern European countries and Russia and talk to people there and find out...don't always stay home and watch TV, wherever it is... it is bad to both your health and mentality.

Do you want to see racism in Europe? Read this link and the related blogs? One country's human right is another country's national security. It is amazing how Europeans protest the violation of human right in other country and propose a solution for their Roma problems. Wow. Mix it up and it is getting very entertaining.
http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13919535&source=hptextfeature
http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13919535&source=hptextfeature&mode=comment&intent=readBottom

As evident from the above posts, thank you to Bylooker/sing666/2omorrow for clearing up that 'they' are the same person. Fenqing aren't so easy to identify these days since they all speak the same nonsense. I must lament those adacious students in the 80s, before they were slaughtered at Tiananmen, who were more pro-American than the liberals in America - US haters. How times have changed. Obviously they are now hanjian. Obviously they are not yellow enough to be Chinese or that they are yellow skinned and white hearted. Obviously they have no ancestors - since they were killed by Communists too.

It's amusing to see how people being to comprehend the double-edged sword of fascism. There are the KKK, there are Chinese fenqing fascists. There are Nazis and there are Japanese ultra-nationalists and there are Chinese Communist Red Guards. A mild critique in a NYTimes editorial leads to a violent Chinese nationalist backlash; on the other hand, a Xinhua piece about 'Westerners' (as if they all have the same national interest and as if Japan is included but not Russia) ruining the world and sabotaging China is celebrated for speaking the truth. There seems to be one viewpoint in the world - the viewpoint of the Chinese and their fenqings. The world now belongs to China (despite the historical peaceful nature of Chinese - so much for ancestry!). The Chinese are the superior race (despite no technological and scientific process since Ming and the inability to reason). China cannot be subjected to any standards since they are the great zhonghuaminzhu. And of course, all zhonghuaminzhu descendants are Chinese, ie will forever be bonded to China. You immigrate and you are still Chinese. You become the US Secretary of Commerce and you're still Chinese. One day you become President of France and you are always, forever, eternally Chinese and you must sell your home off to China, your real country or else you are hanjian. But if you are white and if you have immigrated to China, it's ok to be a spy for the West since you aren't really Chinese. So true, no one can speak for the Chinese except the CCP. If you are Chinese, then you also belong to CCP. If the CCP says I don't care if 300 million of my people die in a nuclear war (as Mao Zedong said), you must be prepared to die for Mao. To be Chinese, you are like cheap dirt. How great it is to be Chinese! You will always be cheap dirt, even if you become the US Secretary of Commerce or the President of Taiwan!

So I am happy you - bylooker, sing666 or whatever name you and your fenqing cohort go by - are proud to be cheap dirt since this is what your own, real country treats you. The US has offered you a sanctuary - and if you hold a US citizenship, you have sworn allegiance to the country (I assume you are not an illegal immigant - though that may explain things). But then if you have done so, you are hanjian. All immigrants are hanjian. Why are there so many hanjian anyway? Taiwanese are hanjian, Tibetans (though they are not han) are hanjians, Singaporeans are hanjians, Malaysians are hanjian, the 5% of Chinese in the US are hanjian, the 8% of Chinese in Canada are hanjian. Then there are those hanjian in China - probably half the population who would flee the country if given the opportunity. That's a whole mighty load of hanjians. But my view is that they rather be hanjian than cheap dirt.
Well, in that case, as you are both a hanjian and cheap dirt, I have nothing more to say to you but this. If you can't tell the difference between mainstream racism/fascism and extremist racism/fascism, then you won't ever understand the West. I am a fascist so my posts don't belong on the NYTimes. But your fascist posts can probably serve as an Op-ed in Xinhua. You go figure.

Michael Ware (a freelance Middle East specialist) from Baghdad:
Before the invasion of Iraq, Iraqi were ruled and terrorized by Sadam Hussein. Now, there are thousands of mini Sadam Hussein running around in Iraq. People are afraid to send their children to school.Majority of them do not have a steady job. After five years of war, 1+millions civilian casualties and 2+millions internal refugee and 1+millions external refugee, Iraqi is still unsure whether the country can be held together. The is the price Iraqi is paying for somebody's else ideology (democracy and freedom).