Heads Up: 140 Dead in Urumqi

Another example of barbarism and why Chinese need to be controlled. Simon will not have any trouble finding sources of Han nationalism -- he will only need to refer to the comments by bylooker and 2morrow that will follow.

Oh, my Lord!
Mr. Elegant's so-called report on this incident demonstates how a one-side story should look like.
So classic!
1. While Mr. Elegent is located in Beijing, his interviewees are all located in the other side of the planet!!!
2. While Mr. Elegent has the capability to speak Chinese, he forgot to interview someone in China!!!
I suppose Mr. Elegent has the following excuses:
a) an interview with a Chinese official is worthless (but then how can an interview with the WUC worths so much?);
b) an interview with an Chinese expert is not possible because he/she probably won't dare to speak of what Mr. Elegent believes to be the truth ; and
c) an interview with someone on the street of Beijing or a university student in Beijing or someone on the internet is perhaps inconvenient because Mr. Elegent has already had a pre-scripted scenario to tell his western readers.
Anyway, it seems to me Time is wasting its investor's money to hire Mr. Elegent as its Beijing correspondant.
Mr. Elegent can be located anywhere but China to report on things in China.

I think that the admission of the death toll is one of several indications that the Chinese government (read the army or police) was not responsible for the majority of casualities. This will end up being an ethnically-based tragedy, not related to the government's crackdowns in Tibet or Tiananmen.

For more details on why, see: http://www.on-message.net

Oh, the above comments were on the one-side story Mr.Elgenet told on Time's World news section, not the one at this blog which is increasingly being polluted by the pathetic jobless homeless refugees of the China-bashing clan.

@avonorsenbach,
Thank you for the link!
I like the term speculative journalism.
It is quite amusing!
If journalism keeps marching down on this speculative path, it will end its own life soon.
For certain journalists, perhaps Mr.Elegent inclusive, the death of the profession probably does not matter too much.

Who knows?
Perhaps professional journalism does not mean much to Mr. Elegent since journalist is just a job title for him to make a living. What he really interested in doing is being a politician.
But unfortunately Mr. Elegent can't easily live a life as a politician (certainly not in Beijing, unless he decides to join the Communist Party; or Hongkong, but the general public in Hongkong don't really give a damn shit to politicians; or his home country England; or the US.. The problem with the last two options is that there are too many politicians here already. So, it would be very difficutl for Mr. Elegent to join the already crowded club).
So, he chose to be a politician with a journalist title on his businesscard. But that appears to be unfortunately to the profession.

@bylooker,
You see people like Mr. Elegent, who was born in Hongkong and now making a living in Beijing has one thing that can hardly get over througout their entire life: the hatred towards communism.
It is perfectly fine (although not good)for someone to hate something, communism or whatever. It is his right, isn't?
The problem is when such a person assumes a job that requires him to see things more objectively, his failure to be able to get over this hatred will definitely lead towards the failure in delivering sound services required by this job.
In the case of journalism, we call it baised reporting or, amusingly enough, speculative journalism.
You see the problem with these journalists and their speculative journalism is that they see their job as a way to hold others accountable on certain things. So in the case of China, they play the role of God to hold the Chinese government accountable because they believe there is nothing within China that can do such a decent job.
The question is, who on this planet can come out and hold these so-called journalists and their speculative journalism accountable?

Yes! bylooker and 2morrow - it's time to go to war for your great motherland! Who cares about facts? Who bothers with nuance? Who needs reasonableness and proportionality? Go kill all the dissidents and Westerners! Obviously it's all their fault. It's time to go to war! Go slaughter all the non-han ethnic groups! Round them up in concentration camps: it's an order from the CCP! It is time to rise up for your great country! It's time to go to war!

You love your motherland so much you immigrated to another country, you aren't down in Xinjiang helping 'your people' (Uighurs obviously aren't Chinese right?) and you're paying taxes to Her Majesty's Government so fascists like us on this forum have such a great time making fun of you. Way to go patriot!

And obviously someone like Simon born in HK and risking their personal safety denouncing the evils of Communism is evil (obviously he's more evil because he's white). Someone like 2morrow, hiding in the West and acting as their spy, is great. Great men are cowards and 2morrow is the greatest of them all. Nice to meet you racists.

P.S and I almost forgot. Simon, here are the ultranationalistic-racist-fenqing comments I promised earlier. I didn't even need to try. Hope to save you some time having to read uncivilized Chinese forums.

i pity you don't have one, bylooker. And i pity you even more that she has to see you turn into a coward and a loser; a crony of the CCP and someone utterly devoid of any humanism.

I take that back. I forgot you're actually working for the CIA so you're on our side. That was a great act you put on, truly. Much more pro than sing666! I will recommend you for a promotion on the grounds that you have demonized the Chinese race so effectively with your posts! Big Brother will need your help to train new recruits bylookwer

@bylooker,
Plus, don't waste your time responding to the pathetic jobless homeless refugees in the China-bashing clan.
They are here to bark.
But they can't do that for too long since even dogs need to be fed in order to be able to keep barking (and at the same time flattering their masters, whoever the master may be).
Unfortunately these days their masters are either running out of spare $$$ to buy bones to feed them or have changed their own minds( or let's say color, in the case of the government of Taiwan) so their practice of barking may not even be rewarded with a piece of much needed bone in the near future.
As demonstrated quite clearly by the performance of this clan, these are the people who may have some sort of psychological problems and who are willing to use measures of violence to pursue their own dirty agenda and personal gain.
So I suppose it is up to authorities of these people's place of refuge to determine what to do with these people for the sake of their own national interest and security.
These authorities should have learnt lessons from their past experience in terms of nurturing groups of extremists (of whatever form) and eventually ending up with throwing the stone on their own toes ... Taliban is a perfect example to proof the point.
At the end of the day, civilized societies can accommondate each other in peace regardless of divergent political views. And extremists, no matter how attractive their political languages may be(democracy, freedom, etc) are the threat to the world peace.

@bylooker & 2morrow2

... why don't you just hold it for a short while to ask of yourselves this one question: what will readers of this blog think of the Chinese people and civilization if they consider us as typical Chinese?

Are you proud of your foul language, of your incessant personal insults, your unproven allegations? Do you realize the amount of disgrace you are bringing upon China by your gutter style of discussion?

I for one would gladly donate a quart of my blood to any person presently suffering in Urumqi, not only to offer unconditional help regardles of ethnic or political considerations, but also to show that not all of "the West" is as cruel and inhumane as you like to state.

For Mr. Elegent and his China Blog colleagues, they had better take a more balanced view on things in China so that this Blog does not become a permenent landfill site for this China-bashing clan to dump their smelly waste.
You need a group of decent readers.
A group of pathetic political refugees won't promise prosperity (of this blog) ...
You may be able to create a so-called community consisting of such a group of pathetic political refugees around this corner but then they themselves are on the life support by others so how could they actually afford your print remains a big question.
Anyway, just a piece of advice from a former Time Magazine subscriber. I for one don't expect too much from you: simply a balanced view on the goods and bads of China (and the rest of the world), including its current government, will probably regain the subscription of many decent ordinary readers.

@bylooker

...now that is a good start: my honest congratulations! Anger and mental disturbances are no good advisers in any dispute. Fight, if you must, for our beloved China, but do it in an honorable fashion. Do it in cold blood, do it with clean weapons, and never forget: millions are watching us here in this arena.

@2moorow2

are you listening, too? Or are you so busy typing your version of a "balanced view" on Simon and his collegues that you have no time to bother about your own possible weaknesses?

Ever heard of this one "Know yourself and know your enemy, and in a hundred batells there will be an hundred victories!"

I do not whish you to stop fighting for what you think is right, but I would hope you did this with style and respectability.

Well, Shenzhouren,
I am glad to hear that someone with blood is here to speak.
Now before you comment on what you've seen here, I suppose you should learn a little bit of context of this blog, namely what has happend in the past, or the history. Therefore you won't come in and point your figure on one group while praising the other much smelly group as if they are as innocent as Madonnna.
Further, if you read carefully what I've written on this blog, without political bias, you will find all I have done is to hold the journalists accountable on reporting China; plus, my personal disgrace of the people of the China-bashing clan.
It does not have anything to do with the image of the Chinese people. I am neither entitled to represent the Chinese people nor obliged to represent the Chinese people. I think the number one lesson one should have learnt in terms of democracy is that one can only represent himself unless he is authorized by others.
Now, in terms of the image of China. If you read carefully what the China-bashing clan has said on this blog (I urge you to go back a few pages, in stead of simply reflecting this one), you may find yourself what kind of a China image these people have been painting.
I suppose it won't take too long for you to find out the black hatred in the hearts of many of the members of the clan, unless you choose to be blinded.
So, be a good Chinese citizen, and watch carefully what is happening here.

Also, Mr. Sehzhouren,
I am delighted to meet a gentleman who are generously offering a listen on style.
And I love to talk about style.
I suppose people are stylish one way or the other depending on the circumstances.
While it is perfectly appropriate to dress yourself up in tuxedo for the wedding of, say the Prince of England, it may sound totally out of context to wear the same luxury suit in a McDonald restaraunt.
So, again, my two cents for you is to watch the context, and then determine which style is more appropriate.
But thanks anyways!
Finally, some interesting things have come up.

My stylish apology to Mr. Shenzhouren, the first sentance should read:
I am delighted to meet a gentleman who are generous offering a lesson on style.

@ Shenzhouren re
Ever heard of this one "Know yourself and know your enemy, and in a hundred batells there will be an hundred victories!"
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I suppose I read it, long time ago.
And thank you for reminding me of this.
But that is with the assumption that there is a battle in which one fights to win.
Since I don't see typing hundreds of words with numerous errors as a serious battle ...who are my ememies? Mr. Elegent and his colleauges? Certainly not! members of the China-bashing clan? they are not qualified (I don't fight against people who's life is pathetic enough) so such good principle does not apply.
You see, I actually read your post quite carefully since there are some interesting points in it that worth a debate hopefully in an appropraite style.

a@shenzhouren re
you listening, too? Or are you so busy typing your version of a "balanced view" on Simon and his collegues that you have no time to bother about your own possible weaknesses?
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No, it is certainly not my job to offer a balanced view on China.
I am not a journalist and I am not paid to do this job.
I as a reader express my own opinion on what I read in the journalist's report.
I don't mind to expose my weakness as I have nothing to loose or gain in this game.

According to some report, it all started with a rumor on the internet. Please, refer to JohnSmith posting couple of days ago about the detail of the message on the net. It seems to me he is quite on top of this. If you look at East Turkistan TV. http://www.eastturkistan.tv/STRT-7/ on youtube, you will find out something very amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kbYJtoQmM&feature=related
Pay attention to the Chinese map behind the anchorman. Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Tibet and south west of China have different color than the rest of China. Look at the comment posted by Ganschar:
"Free Tibet !Free East Turkistan !Free Inner Mongolia "
Look at NED website. Even though there is no independent movement in Inner Mongolia that we know of, there is a program to support the democratic development in Inner Mongolia and some nationalists from Mongolia has laid claim on China blogs of Economists. Try to draw all the dots together and think for yourself. If their wish ever comes to reality, think about what a bloodbath there will be.
I think the best solution will be some sort of affirmative action to accommodate the high unemployment among minority in those provinces. This is not my imagination. This is for real.

To 2morrow2

Well spot! Mr Selegant was sitting in Beijing and wondering how a peaceful protest turn to a violent rioting cost so many of life; just like he was wondering last year.
However his colleague Tania Branigan from Guardian reporting some first hand information in Urumqi;
At People Hospital, doctors were still treating hundreds of victims from last night's violence. The hospital head doctor said 274 patients were still in the hospital, the vast majority of whom were Han. Another 39 were Uighur, 15 were Hui Muslim and four came from other minority groups.
The casualties included a four-year-old boy who was holding his pregnant mother's hand when she was shot. She was undergoing surgery, while the boy was left on a bed in a hospital corridor, his head bandaged, waiting for her.
In the intensive care unit, doctor Ge Xiaohu said: "We have never had a situation like this. It is terrible."
If the ramous that protester attack the pass by people randomly, It must be a organized crime.
Call for unbiased report
Not to inflame race hatred.

As soon as the news broke, there are a lot of posting on Youtube spreading the news and demand blood in retaliation. This is getting very serious. The wishes of Johnsmith is coming true. The beginning of break-up of China.

@shenzhouren re:
I for one would gladly donate a quart of my blood to any person presently suffering in Urumqi, not only to offer unconditional help regardles of ethnic or political considerations, but also to show that not all of "the West" is as cruel and inhumane as you like to state.

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You seem to have too much of a burden to carry on your shoulders for being both a Chinese and a westerner.
But I do appreciate your good will.
Now, if you have time to read more carefully what I have written (I don't expect you to do so since it is a waste of your time), you should find that I have never said "the West" is cruel and inhumane.
In fact, what I have said, is probably "China" and "the Chinese authorities" are probably not as cruel and inhumane as decribed by the mainstream western media.
You see the difference?