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Another Big, Unanswered Question About Events in Urumqi

In my post on the recent shootings below, I posed a couple of big outstanding questions about what exactly has happened in Urumqi in the last week. After the jump I am posting an excellent AP story that has one of the most detailed accounts of the awful night of July 5th that I have seen and raises another major question. As the story itself asks, what were the police and security forces doing for the six hours or so while mobs were killing apparently at will? There were certainly no lack of frantic phone calls on the emergency lines. And the police/riot squads were obviously out on the streets already, having broken up the initial demonstration. That gap is oddly reminiscent of the same apparent failure to appear by security forces during the Lhasa protests/riots in March 2008, which seemingly also was when the mob killings occurred.

Associated Press writer William Foreman in Urumqi contributed to this report.

After violence, western China looks for answers

By GILLIAN WONG, Associated Press Writer Gillian Wong, Associated Press Writer

URUMQI, China – It was about 8 p.m. when the mob descended on Zhongwan Road. The police didn't arrive until six hours later. In the time between, most residents locked their doors and hid, peering out through windows and listening from basements as ethnic violence raged in China's western Xinjiang province.

The next morning, residents in this multiethnic neighborhood emerged to find the road covered with remnants of mayhem: puddles of blood next to overturned vegetable carts, glass shards everywhere, bricks covered with blood, and a random shoe.

Ethnic minority Uighur rioters had burned down the local grocery store, owned by a majority Han Chinese family — one of many stores attacked across the regional capital, Urumqi. Four family members were killed, and a fifth woman was still missing. On Saturday, the rest of the family was grimly sifting through the store's rubble, still looking for her body.

Nearly a week after western Xinjiang province was rocked by China's worst ethnic violence in decades, residents of Zhongwan Road, both Han and Uighur, were still putting together the snippets of what they saw and heard. Many others are searching for answers about what really happened — especially how many died and who they were.

China's government released a breakdown Saturday of the riots' death toll, saying most of the 184 killed were from the Han Chinese majority. But many Uighurs disputed the new figures, citing persistent rumors that security forces fired on Uighurs during the July 5 protest and in following days during a police crackdown and retaliation by Han mobs.

On Sunday, a week after the unrest began, the center of Urumqi was tense but calm. The official Xinhua News Agency said the city's Public Security Bureau had published a notice banning illegal assembly, marches and demonstrations, adding the situation was "basically under control" but that some "sporadic illegal assemblies and demonstrations" had continued.

It all started last Sunday, when a few hundred students and others gathered downtown at the People's Square in the late afternoon to protest the deaths of Uighurs in fighting at a factory thousands of miles away in southern China. The police moved in to stop the demonstration from the square, and it was unclear who struck first or what triggered the violence.

The Uighur protesters started to scatter, toppling police barricades, smashing windows and torching cars and attacking Hans as they rampaged through the southeastern part of the city.

When the rioters turned up Zhongwan Road that night, at least one Han shop owner had an early warning about the brewing chaos.

"A customer told me there was trouble headed this way and that I should close my shop immediately and hide," said the cement shop owner, who would only give his surname, Cheng.

Cheng brought in his motorcycle and barricaded his metal door from the inside with bags of cement. He knelt on the floor and peered out onto the street through a narrow vertical window.

He saw a group of Han residents came running down the street shouting, "Quick, hide!" They were quickly followed by a mob of 300 Uighurs armed with sticks and bricks, Cheng said.

The rioters grabbed sacks of cement outside Cheng's store and set up a roadblock in front of his store to stop cars.

Aile Nur, 23, a Uighur man who worked at a restaurant two doors from Yu's store, said he locked himself in his kitchen.

"I could hear them shouting 'Are you Han or are you Uighur?' to each car that stopped" at the roadblock, he said. "If they were Han, they were smashed."

The rioters dragged some of the people out of their cars and beat them, said the residents. Then, they turned their attack on shops run by Han people. They pounded on Cheng's door and hurled rocks into the window, sending Cheng fleeing into the basement storeroom.

Police weren't showing up and emergency hotlines rang unanswered, residents said.

"I started calling the police from 8:30 p.m., but I didn't get through until midnight," said a beef noodle restaurant owner next to Cheng's store who belongs to another Muslim minority called the Hui. He would only give his surname, Yu.

"I could hear glass being smashed, people screaming, tires exploding," said the noodle shop owner, who estimated that at least 17 people were killed by rioters on that street alone. He looked at the rubble of the grocery store and sighed. "If the police had come on time, not so many people would have died. Their response was far too slow."

Residents and relatives said the mob forced their way into the local grocery story owned by another family named Yu who supplied the area's residents — both Uighurs and Hans — with cooking oil, flour and rice. Four in the family were killed, but it was unclear how they died. Some neighbors said they were beaten to death. Others said they were locked in the store and burned alive.

"I knew they set fire to the store when I heard the cooking gas canisters explode: 'Bang, bang, bang!'" Cheng said.

It was 2 a.m. by the time the paramilitary police arrived, sirens blaring. The rioters fled, their footsteps pounding through the alleys, residents said. Sounds of sporadic gunfire followed, but no one in the neighborhood could say if any of the rioters had been shot.

Fire engines rolled in and put out the blaze at the grocery store, but even at dawn, most of the shop had crumbled and plumes of smoke were still rising from the debris. Dead chickens lay in coops, charred fish skeletons were scattered among piles of rice and flour.

Officials have said that 137 Han Chinese died in Urumqi, while the other victims included 46 Uighurs and one Hui.

Two days after the riot, there was a Han backlash, involving large groups of marauding men with clubs, meat cleavers and lead pipes who stormed into Uighur neighborhoods. It's unclear how many Uighurs were injured or killed because the government and state-run media have downplayed the violence. Associated Press reporters were not allowed to interview the injured Uighurs in hospitals.

But Uighurs on the streets of Urumqi and from exile activist groups say they think many more of their own were killed.

"I've heard that more than 100 Uighurs have died, but nobody wants to talk about it in public," said one Uighur man who did not want to give his name because the city remains tense and security forces are everywhere.

China has said its security forces exercised restraint in restoring stability but has not provided details nor explained why so many people died.

Rebiya Kadeer, president of the pro-independence World Uyghur Congress, has said at least 500 people were killed while other overseas groups have put the toll even higher, citing accounts from Uighurs in China.

China's government blames Kadeer, a 62-year-old Uighur businesswoman activist who lives in exile in the U.S., for instigating the riots with anti-Beijing propaganda. She has denied any involvement and condemned the violence.

Many Uighurs in Urumqi said didn't believe Kadeer was involved in the unrest. They said that the fighting was the result of pent-up frustrations about longstanding discrimination and government efforts to subvert their religion and culture — thouhg the government says Uighurs have benefited from Xinjiang's rapid economic development.

"We don't really know Rebiya that well. We don't listen to her or follow her on the Internet," said one Uighur woman, who only identified herself as Parizat. "We don't need Rebiya to tell us what to be angry about. We live here. We know what's wrong."

On Zhongwan Road, people were tallying their losses and looking for answers. Many people are still consumed with anger and fear over the violence.

Yu Dongzhi's family owned the burned-out grocery store, and the mob killed Yu's brother-in-law, 13-year-old nephew, the boy's cousin and grandmother — all found dead inside the shop. His sister is still missing

"I want all the terrorists executed by firing squad. I hate them," said the 44-year-old, who works in the southern city of Shenzhen but rushed to Urumqi after hearing that his sister's family had died.

Yu spoke as he leaned on his shovel in the remains of the store, where the family was searching the remains for the body of his sister, Xingzhi. He had already spent the week searching all of Urumqi's hospitals to no avail.

"I haven't told my mother yet," he said. "So now I must find her, dead or alive."

The group stopped digging by 6 p.m. but could not find a body. The next day, Yu decided, he would search the morgues.

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  • 1

    ah, where's Simon's question of " Will they [the troopers] shoot fellow Han? "?

    • 1.1

      Does it even worth asking? The answer is obvious Orangetwo, they wil, and they did. Being sarcastic won't do any good to facts.

  • 2

    Here's another excellent paragraph from Simon:

    Meanwhile, few more details of what happened and how have emerged. For example, though Xinhua is reporting the numbers of men and women killed (129 and 27), there's still no indication of ethnicity, which would obviously give an indication of whether demonstrators/rioters (you choose) were shot by security forces. The delay leads me to wonder whether we will ever be told.

  • 3

    Chinese police simply failed to anticipate the scale of violence they were about to face. Troublesome places such as Lasah and Urumqi where separatists are ready to strike with extreme violence simply should have a heavy police presence at all time. The police force present in Urumuqi now are mostly mobilised from other cities and provinces. The alleged Han retaliation by this author did not take place. It was brought under control by a heavy police presentation. The Hans who went on to streett with all the makeshift weapons were allowed to march in big circles, exaughsted themself and vented their anger. They were blocked from reaching Uygher communities. See report from a British journalist who were at scene.

    http://blogs.telegraph,co.uk/news/peterfoster/100002643/urumqi-crticism-and-credit-for-the-chinese-police/

    Interesting is this reporter. He doesnot want to present any vedeos or photoes to back what Hans said (there are plenty around) and at the same time very happy to report some Uyghers' rumors that is backed by no evidence at all. If the Han retaliation did happened on a large scale then with so many foreign journalists on the ground why can not anyone produce one single piece of evidence to back it? Photo or vedeo about it rather than hear-says???

    The tone of this article make me think this is another China bashing report.

  • 4

    "ah, where's Simon's question of " Will they [the troopers] shoot fellow Han? "?"

    We don't need that, because it was already answered, 20 years ago.

  • 5

    "Chinese police simply failed to anticipate the scale of violence they were about to face."

    Don't underestimate the effectiveness and efficiency of the Chinese police, especially in eliminating threats. They knew exactly what was going on and knew what they were doing. It was all organized and planned, as the CCP was saying about this incident. It was directed from the highest authority within CCP. You just have to sit tight and watch the drama unfold.

  • 6

    http://news.mingpao.com/20090714/caa3.htm

    It is hilarious to see how full of crap CCP officials are. One said he stopped reading the WSJ because of 'unfair reporting' though he prevously was a "loyal fan". WSJ has always been a China-antagonist compared to liberal papers like NYT or TIME - even more so lately given its adoption of neo-conservative positions. And because the average Chinese person's feelings are easily hurt and possesses a massive inferiority complexity, it is appropriate that the CCP has now censored the WSJ, a newspaper that presumably presents a reality so far removed from the propaganda illusions of a weak willed Opium-drugged Chinese population, it might lead to massive nation-wide psychological collapse.

    As usual, irony escapes these Nazi-nationalistic fenqing entirely. There is apparently only one perspective - the perspective of their slave masters, the CCP. Even the West and its reporters must bow to the slave masters. For any perspective that runs counter to the CCP account of the story, it is superior and therefore evil. Communism means everyone has an equal right to a cheap life of a Chinese. Westerners are superior, they have free conscience, free expression, freedom to worship; it is unfair that they do not live like dirt and therefore they are wicked.

  • 7

    it's very simple why Chinese plice did not shot back to them at the begaining, i knew and i knew, even my friend wintesee that when the Uyghers start to attacking the chinese police, the police just given the wanring by shotting sky.

    But these group of Uyghers start to kill the police just beginign around few huandren of police died. the things was happen too fast. then give police no choic they had shoot back.

    why begineing, the chinese police did not shot them and just give the warning. Simply because that
    Chinese police failed to anticipate the scale of violence they were about to face. it's very normlly. who know such things would happen on them.

    it's good for a teaching to all the police men, next time, it will happen again, just shot back.

    sometime, we can not get emotion. we need to sharp, otherwise you can lost your life just because your emotion.

    a lot of police men just die bcs of this factor too emotion, dare not shot back. next time just shot back.

  • 8

    yes and let's hope they shoot you also next time.

  • 9

    If the reporter would not accuse the Chinese government of anymore he had already accused them of obviously the readers will take it bit further and ofcourse in the same style---making accusations without any evidence to back it. Namely they do this in the name of the Chinese people 's interest but there is one thing that is very obvious; they failed to condemn the violence, they try very hard to find excuses to justify the shockingly cruel crime, their main purpose to be here is to bash the Chinese government. I have seen posts that are even more extreme than these. Some neo-Nazis would even want to have China nuked. So, what is new?

    Here is a forum I would recommend for the reporter. If you want to have better understanding of the situation in China then you may read the discussion by oversea Chinese professionals.

    http://blog.foolsmountain.com/

    One more thing I want to point out. The riot police is a part of the People's Liberation Army. Ordinary Chinese police are not allowed to carry guns while on duty. This makes the population very vulnerable to large scale, well organised terrorist attack like this one.

    From now on a large number of PLA Armed Force should be allocated to Urumqi and station there permanently. And they should have an order in place to shoot whenever extreme violent attacks occurs.

  • 11

    I will surely tell you that all what is happened has nothing to do with religion or
    clash between two ethnic group( which Chinese government made up later ).
    Discrimination and crack -down is a usual weapon of Chinese government regarding the Uighur population as well as the Tibetans. Constant humiliation, discrimination and injustice from the Chinese government and Chinese people to Uighur population brought us to this results. If all crimes against Uighur population was done unofficially berfore, today Chinese government did it officially and openly!! Many mass-media wrote that main victims are Chinese, and who suffered most also Chinese. This misinformation which does not have any proof, make me very angry, because none mentioned and ask themselves what really happened and who the real victims are? I have a lots relatives who live in Uighur autonomy region( Xingiang) and many friends from Kazakhstan who witnessed all. It is a big tragedy for all Uighur people. The riots took place not only in Urumchi it is also happened in big city as Kashgar, Hotan and Aksu!! The most who suffered was Uighur people in Kashgar. I have been told that more than thousand Uighurs are dead, most of them have been shoot under the demonstration and the rest after detention and other beaten to death!! The majority of demonstrators were schoolchildren of the age of 15-18 years old and students . What is happened at night three days in a raw after riots is another story, Chinese government sends to each Uighurs house three soldiers and they took away all man in the house. As the Chinese leader told this people would be punished and send to death penalty.
    Uighurs are tired of fascictic china!!

  • 12

    I really don't get why Chinese people overreact so much whenever you dare to say something that was not originally issued by the CCP or its mouthpieces. This author is really objective - he clearly states all the crimes and murders commited by the rioters. Unlike kuifromsydney claims, the author also cites eye-witness accounts from Han Chinese. But then he DARES and also asks about victims on the side of the Uighurs and of course that is absolutely intolerable because all the Uighurs are fanatic terrorists and basicly do not deserve to be treated like humans.

    Come on, man, nobody is denying that what happened was really atrocious, but you have to understand that inverstigating why something has happened is not the same thing as finding an excuse for it.

  • 13

    We don't need that, because it was already answered, 20 years ago.
    ---

    idiot, you are suggesting that little Simon is wrong about his "outstanding" questions.

  • 14

    iparkhan:

    You are such a shameless liar, a big humiliation of human kindness. YES, YOU ARE.

    “The riots took place not only in Urumchi it is also happened in big city as Kashgar, Hotan and Aksu!! The most who suffered was Uighur people in Kashgar. I have been told that more than thousand Uighurs are dead, most of them have been shoot under the demonstration and the rest after detention and other beaten to death!!”

    There are hundreds of western journalists in Xinjiang now. Many of them have been desperately searching for significant Uighur causality to make up the riot as a consequence of a brutal military crackdown of peaceful demonstration. Yet, they have failed. Therefore, how the hell is it possible for you to discover that “more than thousand Uighur are dead” in Kashgar so far away from Xinjiang? While, all those western media have failed to achieve it so nearby it.
    "Constant humiliation, discrimination and injustice from the Chinese government and Chinese people to Uighur population brought us to this results."

    Indeed, Uighurs are facing some kind of discrimination from some regular Chinese. Yet, there are no discrimination and injustice from Chinese government…at all. And, Uighurs are paritally responsible for the discrimination, which they are facing. For the decades, Uighurs have been quite spoiled by CCP. In Xinjiang, when a Han was beaten up by a Uighur, the polices could detain the Uighur only for a few hours and release him without any further punishment. Then, the polices would told the angry families of the beaten Han that Uighurs had the tradition of settling an argument though physical fights, so let us just be TOLERANT and UNDERSTANDING. Silly, but happened. When a Han called polices that one Uighur were walking over with a sword in the purpose of scaring the Hans around, the answering police would told him that the sword was a Uighur decoration and refuse doing anything for that. Those kinds of things happened so often that it made many Uighurs feel that they were largely above the low. This significantly contributed to the escalation of the riot, even after the Chinese anti-riot police showed up to maintain the order, because those Uighur simply believed that would be detained for a few days, even if they were arrested. Then, why would they care?

    The only experience of me with Uighurs happened a few years, when I was still in China. At that time, a Uighur guy came close and tried to sell me a stolen fancy camera. Not long ago, my mother's best friend got her purse, cell phone and some cash stolen by a Uighur kid in Shanghai. So, why are you even surprised that many regular Chinese tend to feel that Uighur are lazy, un-educated and aggressive? Yet, it does not look that Uighurs try to change it in the respectful ways, as the American Chinese have achieved.

    Decades ago, Chinese was still highly discriminated citizens in US, due to their skin color. They neither demonstrated (which was not allowed for Chinese), nor (of course) rioted. Instead, they just kept working hard as hard as they could, and saved every single penny for education. Those extremely hard working, although illiterate, Chinese knew that people's destinies were largely in hands of their own. Simply complaining, or demonstrating, would never fundamentally change anything. Then, what? Chinese communities, with an overall population of only a few millions, contribute many thousands of scientists and medical doctors to the whole country. That fundamentally changed everything for the American Chinese.

    While some Uighurs are complaining the so-called discrimination in employment, they never know to admit that they had never worked as hard as the Han students in school.

    • 14.1

      You are a chinese and work for chinese communist party this is all my explanation.I can not argue with prochinese, procommunistic person.Bye!!

    • 14.2

      Did you really believ that your chinese government would let show to western media all uighurs who have been killed and beaten to death? You did not know that chinese removed thouthand of death and still live bodies and hide them??How happened that you are so naive and do not know how cruel your nation is? Did you forget how you killed your own nation in 1986, with tanks?How you heard how your government remove whithout any anestasy organs from priseners(Falungun-The Epoch Times).Should I name other thouthand crimes which done by chinese government?
      And STOP SAYING THE OLD 5 000 YEARS OLD CITY KASHGAR-whith your awful prononsuation kashi?Did you get it?

  • 15

    In august the Chinese stockmarket will brake down completely, this being the beginning of the end for CCP.
    http://www.dongfeng,us

  • 16

    In august the Chinese stockmarket will brake down completely, this being the beginning of the end for CCP.
    http://www.dongfeng.us

  • 17

    Business as usual for western media. From my reading, I have a feeling that most of western media think that it is ok for people to kill if they feel they are not treated nicely. The media keep talking about how those people are not happy because their religions and culture are being wiped out. (This has become part of western media's platitudes) Any sensible people will notice that Uighurs still primarily speak their own languages and practice their own religions.

  • 18

    The murderers, no matter what ethnic, should be brought to justice.

  • 19

    Simon,

    Quite simple. Tibetans and Uyghurs live above law. The police dare not to shoot them because they were not given the orders to do so. And the police were afraid of inciting ethnic tensions. Everyday, they were brainwashed with the idea of not inciting ethnic tensions instead of fulfilling their duty

    In addition, people like you contributed to the death of 130s Han Chinese, because the Chinese government wants to appease international media.

    I wonder whether you feel shamed of yourself. Please read back your articles, which suggested Chinese police "were massacring" Uyghurs before you got any real information. How can people believe your reports from now on? You lose your credibility, and you make Time magazine a big joke. How can you still keep your job? If I screwed up that big, my boss would have already fired me.

    I believed the Chinese government's "propaganda" from the start of the riot. and it turned out to be true facts. Western media is lying and Chinese propaganda is the one that is telling the truth. How ironic. I think more and more Chinese/and westerners will find out that the Chinese government is telling the truth.

    Only when people like you are held accountable when you write b*s*, will the western media gain credibility in oversea Chinese. A lot people within China who have never been outside still believe people like you though, but fewer and fewer, because more and more Chinese have contacts in the West. I am telling all my friends about people like you.

    Remember I told you once that the stupidest idea I have ever heard is that with more and more Chinese being overseas, they will find out that their government is cheating them with manipulated information? I think the correct statement is with more and more westerners being to China, they will find their media is lying toward them about China.

  • 20

    @bookevil my friend re discrimination,

    Let's be fair.

    The success of the Chinese Americans are due to both their work ethics and the change of political and cultural environment of the United States in recent decades.

    And let's face it.

    Although we would like to pretend that every human being is the same (for the sake of political correctness) in reality, we know we are all different. Some people maybe more hardworking than others. Some people may be more intellegent than others. Some people may be more creative than others. Some people may be more religious than others. Some people may have a higher sex capability than others ... we are all different, one way or the other.

    Difference is natural and is healthy. Difference produce diversity and diversity ensures evolution (through competition, hopefully in a peaceful way when it comes to human sociaty).

    Because of the existance of differences, discrimination is everywhere: the white may discriminate the black, the rich may discriminate the poor, the Han may discriminate the Highur, big city dwellers may discriminate country men ... we all discriminate others and we are all discriminited by others, to a certain degree, in certain circumstances.

    But we still need to find a way to coexist, hopefully in peace.

    Peace is real. Truth and justice are all delusions and sources of hatred that disturbs peace.

    The big question for a journalist then is, between peace, truth, and justice, what will you chose?

    Suggested reading, Jin Yong's marshal arts novels. (金雍的武侠小说)

  • 21

    chinabriefing

    "Westerners are superior, they have free conscience, free expression, freedom to worship; it is unfair that they do not live like dirt and therefore they are wicked."

    Yes, You can, But every action you done, every words you said that you will be face a price to pay, wether is Good and Bad.

    You reap what you sow.

    you think you can get away by spoken so many lie from you. you think you can get away by what your wrong worship.

  • 22

    bylooker

    you are exactly correct.

  • 23

    don't know how to say to this stupid iparkhan

    • 23.1

      Oh my GOD , YOU CHINESE are so many even there all commnets smells prochinese(garlic) disgasting I think I can not argue with 1 billiard.(too many oh too many)

  • 24

    As a reporter from the big TIME, sir, did you in anyway ask any further questions when some one told you 100 uyghers were killed? Did she know the names? How did these people die? Where did this happened? Where were the boidies? Who were the families? I bet you did not do any investigations you could have done. You simply use it as "evidence". Do you think this kind of "fact" pollute your report and damage the reputation of your dear big TIME? I was such a fan of the free media. Not anymore after I have been exposed to it for more than 10 years.

    The entire event unfolded from the rumor spread by a Han factory worker. The result of it, more than 100 people are dead and more than 1000 people injured and scarred forever. Ethnic hatred can always be stirred up by tiny things. Once escalated it can get into a vicious cycle, destroy all the hard work done by both ethnics over so many years to improve relations. I am sure the Han worker who spread rumors on the internet will be punished by the Chinese government.

    A free media should not serve as a big trumpet for people to spread rumors or spew hatred. I can see a spectrum of rumor spreading from this forum from a reporter included a rumor that has no real substances in his report to bloggers boost the number to "1000 uygher dead" or "directed from highest authority within CCP". All of these are going to contribute to the vicious cycle of violence, hatred, and lost of innocent life.

    How can you sleep during the night?

    I left China when I was 30 years old and I still go back quite often to visit my family. I know what is Chinese government's policy is like. In simple words it is a policy of reverse racism. The dominant Hans have to obey one child policy, ethnic minority families can have 2-3 children. If they have 10 children the government still can do nothing about it. Students from ethnic minority background have extra marks added to their National College Entrance Exam results. All branches of Muslim have meal allownce that Hans do not get because Muslims do not eat pork. Ethnic minorities get extra holidays because they have their own traditional holidays that are different from Hans'. During 1980s the government even implemented the "two less one loose" policy ( Ethnic minority criminals get less imprisonment, less arrest, and laws only apply to them loosely than their Han counterparts). Which employer will be happy to hire a worker come to work with a knife? Yes, it is their tradition but this won't help them with their employment? Right? Which employer is happy to give workers more paid holidays? This is a stupid policy that give the majority Hans the impression that minorities are above the laws and above them. If the Chinese government is guilty of some thing then they are guilty of making such a stupid reverse racism policy to spoil minorities on one hand and make them less competitive on the other hand. When you bash Chinese government of "wiping out minorities's culture and religion" I feel like to laugh at you. They did not do that. They did the opposite and they overdid it and suffered a backlash from some secular Hans.

    As a person who had lived in China for 30 years I know where the problems are. I know the government needs to be criticised to do a better job. But when you are clulessly bashing the government to serve your own stereotyping then I will say something. And whenever you are using rumors as "fact" I will have to question your motive.

  • 25

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    try it, you will love it
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