Would You Die For Your Local Police?

China and North Korea in nuclear deal?
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I heard mention of this, and my reaction, simply put, is: "That is f'ng insane."

“ 有自由好，还是没有自由好？真的我现在已经很混乱。太自由了，就变成香港今天这个样子，很乱；而且变成台湾这个样子，也很乱；我慢慢觉得，原来我们中国人需要管的。”

I love this "China and north Korea in nuclear deal" comment. utterly resemble to somebody else's.
1) totally unrelated to the topic of the blog.
2) a linkt to some trash...

Man, I hate people racing on highways or any roads. those reckless drivers should be deprived of the right of driving on the road. It is safe for them and everyoneelse to drive in simulators.

"I am really being bothered by such question of whether it's good to have freedom or not. Both Hong Kong and Taiwan are now quite chaotic due to excessive freedom. I'm gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled..."

---Jackie Chan

Long live Jackie Chan! I quite support him for his great thought that immediately reforms Hong Kong and Taiwan into great Chinese-characteristic socialism! Only great PLA's tanks, armoured cars and machine guns can cure HK and TW's chaos!

Mr. Liam Fitzpatrick,

I just read the time cover story in the world news page.

"On July 5, riots broke out between China's minority Muslim Uighur population and the majority Han Chinese in the far western Xinjiang province. The government responded with a violent police crackdown, and in the end, at least 192 people were left dead. "

Even now, your reporters are suggesting Chinese police killing Uyghurs?... I am quite amazed. Am I the only one that found Time reporters nuts?

I cannot criticise Mr Simon Elegent that much because the ethic composition was not published back then. And now, the world already knows that the Uyghur Chinese killed that many Han Chinese, you Time reporter is still writing this B*S*?

I encountered the idea in the last couple of days that the west media is trying to involve China into the back -to-year-800 Christian-islam holy war and I laughted at it. Now, it seems to be true...

EVIL PEOPLE!!

Since he said in Chinese, you are just trying to use your English translation to twist what he said. A little dirty trick, Time should hire you, since I find out a lot time reporters are dirty people with dark intentions toward Chinese and China.

If you use "regulate" in stead of "control", it makes perfect sense. If people dont need to be regulated, why are there so many laws, courts, judges, and more police and penalty in every country???

Please prove me that "democratic" government don't "control"/regulate their citizens.

BTW, What is Obama doing to Wall street?

Oh yeah, all countries have these kinds of problems. Peope make stupid decisions sometime.

Those Chinese drivers in Hong Kong should have appreciated the opportunity to serve the society by stopping the street racers with their own body. How often do you have the opportunity to do that to repay your country for taking care of you all your life. The government and the party is your parents and ancestors, and should be respected and their commands obeyed with thanks. Time for Hong Kong government start to educate its people so that it will do things the Chinese way.

"中国人需要管的。" is what Jackie Chan said. "要管的" is even more serious than "control". 管 is not just needed some of the time. It is needed as a Chinese nature. It is harmony with Chinese characteristics.

Ok, China-bashing nuts!

I was hoping the change of the look of this blog would somehow play the magic so that the behavior of you buts would also adjust a little bit towards a more reasonable, responsible and intelligent one.

You nuts disappointed me in just a few second.

Your behavior proves again that you jobless refugees who are pathetic losers of every place you've set your feet on do not have any intention and inclination about how to rejunivate your smelling self.

You have become so wild and wierd simply because Jackie Chen said something you dislike.

You've expressed your disagreement on Mr.Chen's opinion many times and we already known that. Ok?

So, no need to repeat if again and again and again.

In so doing you people simply demonstrate that you do not deserve any respect from others since you pathetic losers simply do not know what respect means.

Now, I urge Time's blog manager use his/her "control power" to delete these ridiculous comments that is totally irrelevant to the topic of this blog.

Democracy is good. But democracy without respect and proper enforceable regulations will only make places such as this tiny blog dysfunctional.

These nuts need to be educated with proper actions.

And you can delete my comments as well after you delete the comments from these nuts.

"You've expressed your disagreement on Mr.Chen's opinion many times and we already known that. Ok? "

You still don't understand a thing. I agree whole heartedly with Jackie. Chinese must be controlled. That is the fact. Not just controlled, but tight control. I particularly agree with his statement that if Chinese can do whatever they want, they will make a mess. A big mess. 1.3 billion messes.

Since you still don't get the message, there is only one way to do that...

And Chinese should not, must not, and will not have democracy. China will be a big mess if Chinese have democracy. Only people worth having democracy should have them. Chinese like being under slavery and bondage under CCP. That's the way they should stay. CCP and Chinese people just deserve each other.

China haters always take their hatred further. They demonise the CCP first then they demonise the Chinese government. Once they get there they only need take one little step to demonise Chinese people. They did the same thing to every nation they bombed, sanctioned, and isolated. In their eyes Chinese people are stupid pigs live in cages who can not decide anything for themself. That is why they shout so loudly and ofcourse all in the name of democracy, freedom, religion, ......

In doing so they shamelessly put their dirty hands into other countries' politics. Any Chinese who dare to oppose to outside interference will be labled as fifty cents party, CCP spys, therefore discredited to speak out against them. They use NED, NGOs to support all Chinese dissidents. If you have a look of the agenda of these dissidents then you will roughly what they really want for China. They want China to split into small pieces, have some thing call "democracy" while still lacking a strong enough middle class, educated majority, and basic law and order. Any one who knows the socienty well will realise that is the perfect recipe for centurary long chaos.

Compares with 30 years ago, China has made great progress in all fronts. She will continue to make more progress to benefit her citizens. Describing Chinese people as being under slavery and bondage only show how misinformed you are and the brainwashing power of the so call "free media"

"There is no talk of lawsuits."

Not exactly. Some insurance companies say they may sue the police for the damages done to the cars involved in that incident.

"There is no official call for an inquiry or for resignations .... The question must be asked: Why not?"

You're right. Many HK-based netizens and bloggers also share your view. They are also questioning the Police chief's explanation about error of judgement. The using of civilian vehicles as road blocks seems to be a standard practice that the HK Police has been using for quite a while. If that's the case, I realy find it alarming. Some netizens are also quesitoning whether the Police has been given adequate training, backup and support to carry out this kind of operations. One way or the other, an open inquiry will give the public a chance to have a say in how things can be improved.

2morrow2,

I understand that it was not by Mr. Liam Fitzpatrick. Sorry, Mr. Mr. Liam Fitzpatrick, since 2morrow2 misunderstood my comments.

i was just asking Mr. Liam Fitzpatrick the question, since he is also a Time reporter. I really want to know his opinion. What does he think when his collegues talk shit and get published.

Now I don't think it is a "mistake"; I think it is blantant lying and inciting Al-Quada to attack China. Read the article, it is as if the reporter is not happy and greatly disoppointed because Bin Ladin has not ordered his fellow fighters to drive a plane into Shanghai Bank of china tower.

"The facts are this."

The facts are these.

For one thing, the Hong Kong police force handled the matter with an uncustomary grasp of modern public relations, giving an immediate public apology as to the way the incident was handled. The potential PR flare and public rage were summarily disposed.

As for the investigation, it's actually in the public interest that an internal investigation is not pursued; a better alternative is for the victims to pursue a tortious claim for damages based on the cause of action of a breach of statutory or public duty. That way, the police cannot claim any privilege over evidence collected in its internal investigation which, for sure, would be politically censored.

Welcome back, my CIA colleagues, 2morrow and bylooker.

Evidently, you are getting better at this job - the disguise and pretension has improved considerably. You have adapted well into the role of a brainless, fenqing peasant who reads too much racist jinyong and has an inferiority complexity.

But as I said, you must, too, be wary of your hanjian identity. If you play it too far, the CIA will wonder where your allegiance lies. Commies and 共匪 don't say democracy is good or that Jackie Chan is wrong. We all know that Chinese are too stupid and cheap to deserve democracy. We all know that the next global humanitarian disaster would be letting Chinese have freedom. We all believe that Chinese should be enslaved - no one geniunely believes otherwise. The question our government faces is, instead, how to trick the Chinese government in giving over more benefits to the foreign capitalists.

You see, the CCP has always been the puppet of foreigners - it was the whipping boy of the Soviets; in fact Mao sold out his country to the Russians. Now, foreigners are bribing every single government official in the CCP and exploiting, raiding every ounce of money they can get. Only the fenqing, like those here, are too stupid to understand the global conspiracy working against them. They are only intelligent enough to understand one half of it. They don't know that the CCP are also CIA spies and has been selling out their country for decades. Your task is to provoke them further - make them support the Chinese government. By doing that, you will help the CCP turn half of China over to the international capitalists. Great work!

By the way, pertaining to the lead, let me add that the patriotism/nationalism shown by fenqing Chinese (or Chinese in general) is the biggest 21st century sham. Any Chinese who has lived overseas will know that their own 'kind' will be the last to stand up for them or help them in the case of an emergency. Unless they are in mobs, they will not resist or help any other Chinese resist danger. They will stand by with their arms crossed watching curiously. When they are in mobs, they are doing so for the only reason they don't want to be left alone - like an anti-reactionary. No Chinese would be willing to die for anything but themselves. They are the most selfish, greedy, pathetic race on Earth. So whether anyone would be willing to die for local police really stretches the analogy a bit far.

It is common knowledge that mainland Chinese, in the event of a war, will do only one thing: flee. The PLA can exist only because it pays several times above the average national wage and requires no other sacrifice apart from being a meat shield when the occasion arises. And of course, they are willing to do so only because they are too dumb to know they are being used as meat shields.

The most ironic thing about sacrifice and altruism in China today is that, with all this nationalistic ignorant-speak, any Chinese would flee the country and immigrate when given the remote chance. Look at the top celebrity and sports stars. Look at anyone who has achieved something more than Communist acclaim. They will flee to the West and be FOBs or run down to Hong Kong and be 大陸哩, just to desperately evade the demonic claws of their own country and its lowness.

WOW, what a racist. Most of racists will try to cover their bumbs but this one does not.

Huifromsydney,

For you information, and if you are here long enough you will find out yourself without difficult, none of the participates of this blog is non-chinese, JS of whatever number and CB inclusive.

So, you are dealing with the people of the same race.

The thing is rarely there are people of other races really interested in the business of China unless what China is doing directly impacts their daily lives in a very practical way.

Who wants to spend days and nights of their lives dumping the same kind of waste about China at this blog so dilligently?

The answer is, the China-bashing clan, consisiting primariy of the following four groups of people:

1. The overseas pro-democracy pro-human rights folks, who are completely out of touch with the very people they are supposed to advocate for;

2. The FLG "practiitioners", so to speak, whose interest lies in gaining refugee status of a industrialized rich country (how many time have you seem FLG "practitioners" applying for refugee status in a poor democracy, such as India, which is located only a few steps away from the border of China?) by posting a unumber of FLG gestures.

3. The TW seperists, the "green" people of that small island.

4. The Tibetan seperists.

5. Now we should also add on the terrorist group of the so-called East Turkishstan.

None of these are of another race. Therefore, they are not racists.

It amuses me to ask - what makes you think the China-bashing clan aren't Chinese who are currently living in China and are victims of its decaying and evil governance?

When was the last time you spoke to a local Chinese 2morrow? You haven't been back to China in decades and you read jinyong and SingTao/Xinhua way too often for your own good.

I've noticed the biggest China-bashers (or CCP-bashers to be accurate) here are those who are Chinese and live in China. The biggest CCP defenders who are those living overseas or are non-Chinese businessmen who want to exploit the country. Which do you think is the more patriotic behavior - to criticize one's own country and the rising fenqing population or to flee and live in a foreign country and pay taxes to a hostile power?

Well, since you asked a specific and somewhat valid question, I am willing to take a few minutes to answer it, even though I am usually not interested in responding to calls from those emotionally-charged and politically-motivated and psychologically disorderred.

When was the last time I spoke to a local Chinese?

Yesterday at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time.

Ok?

People are smarter and better-informed-and- connected than you think.

It is unfortunate that you don't read Jinyong. You could have become more intellegent, and consequently more successful in your personal life (both in China and abroad) had you read Jinyong's works more carefully.

And it is also very unfortunate that you believe that people who disagree with you on the affairs related to China only reads Xinhua.

You can choose to blind yourself.

But you can't blind the rest of the world.

You do not have the capability to blind the rest of the world (let's put the issue of "rights" aside a bit) even though you can keep dumping the same kind of smelly waste on this China Blog for the rest of your own life.

Your waste-dumping business does not count in terms of how the rest of world operates.

It is only a waste of your own time and life.

Now, if you wish to do yourself a great favour, take a few weeks of break, read Jinyong's works, pay particular attention to the nature of human conflicts and how to perceive and resolve these conflicts in different angles ... take a deep breath, and think of your own life.

And if you are not pathetic enough to not have the resources to travel, certainly in a legal way (I am talking about not arriving at other country's custom office and claiming to be a refugee of some sort, e.g., FLG), check one of the so-called third-world democracies out, and then come back, if you wish, to China Blog and let's chat.

Otherwise, I say you are simply not qualified for being engaged in a dialogue with me.

I hope this will be helpful for your life.

And if one can't manage his own life in a meaningful way, he should not assume the responsibility to save the lives of others, let alone the rest of the world.

2morrow2

Agreed. I guess every socienty has its own hatred filled people. I think they are the people who blame the socienty for their own failure. These hatred filled people choose to curse or even take violent means against their own people and own country.

chinabriefing:

What make you think we come here to pay tax to a hostile power? You do not think we are coming here to rob your superior race of their jobs? You do not think we are here to breed and colonism your superior race's country? We Chinese are supposed to be the worst and have the worst intention as per you? Just joking, do not take it seriously. It is your problem if you take what I said too seriously. May be report it to CIA and broadcast it in the media. That way you will receive sooooooooooooo much help to boost your Chinese haters' team

I came overseas to make money. I am looking forward to my retirement in China. You will hate to see how much money I can bring back to China.

Oh, another less relavent question: basher Vs defender.

I for one, am neither defender nor basher. I chose between defending and bashing depending on the issue of concern and the context of the particular issue, and certainly based on the facts that are to the best of my knowledge.

My major interest in engaging in the discussion at this China Blog is to observe the performance of jouralists and the challenges facing the integrity of journalism when it comes to reporting on matters relative to China.

I am also interested in the performance of journalists and the challenges facing the integrity of journalism in other particular areas but I won't waste my tme to explain to you since I trust these are too profession-specific for you to absorb and understand.

i have to point out that your observation re differences between people from within China and outside of China in terms of their general attitutes towards China does not reflect the full spectrum of the picture.

You may have got it right at a relatively samll scale (say 10-30%). But you apparently have missed the target as far as big picture is concerned.

You have to ask yourself a question, for the 10-30% thing, why those who have the opportunity of seeing the issues from both within China and abroad, as you claimed, have become the defender?

I suppose you've already provided an answer through the waste-dumping business repeately that these defenders are wujiao or wumao who are benefitieries of the policies of CCP, and so on.

Now, if you wish to do yourself a great favour, you may ask yourself sincerely:

Is it possible that after ordinary people earning the opportunity for themselves to see things from different angles they may change themselves from a basher to a defender?