Pioneering Law Group Faces Closure II

How come this one is so short? A suggestion to Mr Elegant, just add some words from Chinese government then it will not look too one sided.

[...] 19 July, 2009 Disasters strike one after another.  Shortly after I read from the Time China Blog an update about the saga surrounding the imminent closure of the Open Constitution Initiative, I received a [...]

"Using this method of pressuring civil society groups is not only illegal, it's stupid. Perhaps it is the darkness before dawn? In any case, our commitment to the pursuit of freedom cannot be changed."

But if you are scared, you will use even stupid methods. No one can be allowed to pursue freedom in China !!! China will be a mess if Chinese are allowed to do what they want.

Freedom ? See what Chinese do when they just got a little freedom:
http://tinyurl.com/ll3okx

Simon,

We would appreciate it if TIME could give some in depth coverage of the Rio incident. Sources shouldn't be too difficult on the Australian side. Rio employees in China would also be willing to give leads and off the record conversations would easily show how prevalent bribery is in China (very prevalent re: kickback schemes and lavish meals/accommodation arrangements).

The Rio incident is a double edged sword. If they are stirring this up for revenge, it is a very dumb thing for the party to do - it can only make ubiquitious corruption in business and political circles all the more believable for angry grassroots and bankrupt middle classes in the cities.

Another example of why Chinese shouldn't be given any freedom and democracy:

http://tinyurl.com/mvd63e

They just can't handle it. Chinese just cannot resist the temptation of money. They will trade anything for money, even their own rights.

Just when we think Obama won't hurt the feeling of Chinese:
http://tinyurl.com/nks7wb

C.A. Yeung,

Interesting post on your blog, esp. the link to Gordon Chang's perspective.

As per Global Times, I have heard an alternative perspective - that it's a more liberal paper than its Chinese counterpart or the China Daily and it has relatively more editorial autonomy.

Of course, that shouldn't give any of us the illusion that it's still an extreme nationalist paper serving Party interests.

Five-jiao:

How come this one you write is so short? A suggestion to you, just add “long live the CCP! long live chairman Hu!” at the beginning of your homework then it will look how loyal you are.

i don't believe kuifromsydney is a 5mao. He appears to be a fenqing living in Australia, has suffered some form of racism there and longs to be back in his motherland. I'm also sure he reads a weird nationalistic Chinese overseas newspaper like Singtao or Globaltimes and hallucinates how perfect China is compared to the racist Australia.

But another interesting note is to trace when the 5maos come out in droves.

The report on the Xinjiang incident obviously was important for the CCP propagandists and they had to send their employees out to spam foreign blogs. These issues - daily, inconsequential articles and posts - don't pose the same threat so they have no urgency to send people like bocn to act like a savage in order to distract our, and most importantly, domestic Chinese audience's attention.

So from merely observing 5mao posting behavior, we can deduce what issues the CCP is most sensitive about.

Chinabrief:

No bribery, no way, in China.

According to my personal experiences and common sense, you cannot do anything without "kickback" and lavish entertaining, including erotical fun (very prevalent. After dining and wining, your guests are usually led to a very expensive KTV or sauna, which is sex-traffic spot in deed), in Chinese business field. It will surprise you that such dirtiness not only lies in business with "state enterprises", but in all private business. Of course, usually the boss doesn't need kickback, but the manager, who will decide how your products are used or even whether they will be used or not. Beyond your wildest dream, if there are several shareholders in a firm, that's fully a different case! I myself have ever lost a years' business with a stock company and a large sum of money after I failed to pay bribery for one of their sharers who in charge of raw materials supply and had once hinted me his intention. Then they cut off my supply after producing a storm within their factory. Later they ruffianly refused to pay on my products. At last I had to accept a very unfairly low discount on the sum they should pay me, considering I would lose the lawsuit with a powerful and roguish rival in a putrid country. Many of my fellow businessmen have the same or similar experiences. So, we call it “corruption-ecology”

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Chinabrief says:

Simon,

We would appreciate it if TIME could give some in depth coverage of the Rio incident. Sources shouldn't be too difficult on the Australian side. Rio employees in China would also be willing to give leads and off the record conversations would easily show how prevalent bribery is in China (very prevalent re: kickback schemes and lavish meals/accommodation arrangements).

The Rio incident is a double edged sword. If they are stirring this up for revenge, it is a very dumb thing for the party to do - it can only make ubiquitious corruption in business and political circles all the more believable for angry grassroots and bankrupt middle classes in the cities

[...] neck. The Open Constitution Initiative had been established as a private company to avoid restrictive laws on the formation of a non-governmental organization (NGO). The Time China Blog quotes from a statement by Teng Biao (滕彪) in reaction to the [...]

conscienceinchina,

Yes indeed. Very sad state of affairs you've encountered and even sadder that it is so universal in China. Worse, public officials actively engage in all forms of bribery and scandalous conduct. The ridiculous thing is that the taizidang I know are actually proud to admit their parents are corrupt officials. How obscene.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1910893,00.html/

This is bad.

This relates to Austin's original post more:

http://inews.mingpao.com/htm/INews/20090720/gb11612a.htm

本月初在深圳涉嫌吸毒被捕的119名港人，15日拘留期於今日屆滿，陸續獲釋。有被拘者不滿被加刑。
獲釋人士乘坐公安安排的旅遊車，離開看守所，有家人在看守所外等候。有獲釋女士返回看守所門口，找尋親友時，接受本港傳媒訪問。

該名女子表示，他們吸毒是不對的，應接受法律懲罰，但他們不是殺人放火， 不能剝奪他們的人權。她表示，聽看守所的負責人稱，行政長官曾蔭權及特區政府要求嚴懲他們，所以拘留日子由5日增至15日。他們已被罰款1000元，如再犯的話可判監2年，但沒說要沒收回鄉卡。

該名女子稱，看守所內環境惡劣，所有人共同一條毛巾，他們沖涼後，自後洗乾淨衣服就再穿。

You don't know human rights until you lose it. That's the morale behind Austin's story of repressed lawyers in China and the importance of the rule of law, not the rule of man with its arbitrary punishments.

轮子们：

Can you tell me where to get my 50 cents? My pro-China posts is paid for and worth only 50 cents according to you? An educated person's labour worth much more than that in sydney. Next time you make up a lie like the so call "50 cents party" you should do some research about labour market overseas.

Racism is common. But I have never meet with people like you who will hold such hostility and hatred against your own race.

Next time you talk to a lady, do not use "he".

It is your dear "free media" taught me what bad motive thay have against Chinese people.

In order to boost the impression that China is the center of the universe and a super power that can dictate what other countries can do, the Chinese government is interfering with the internal business of Russia again. This time is about closing a market in a Russian city.
http://tinyurl.com/nqrnou

Chinese businesses think they yield a big club when bullying other countries, and cry to their nanny when being treated with strong measures. It will be interesting to see how the nanny will be treated.

Chinese government officials came up with a innovative way to clear out the residence so that they can grab the land without compensation:
http://tinyurl.com/nj2gfe

As soon as the gasbag-head five-jiao "sing666" fled, another monster, the "kuifromsydney", jumped out. Though its skin has been replaced, its gasbag-head never changes: previously it pretend to be a "Canadian pensioner in Toronto", now it faked "from Sydney"; Its favourite is also attacking the Fa Lungong.

Wumao, stop to insult Canadian and Australian! Both the two heavenly lands are unable to produce such a monster just like you!

kuifromsydney:

Let me answer your question about 50 cents. reading these pro-Charlie (be cautious, I am not talking about Chinese, you guys always like to mix these two different ideas together) comments, I could not help but think that none of them comes from hands whose owners being well educated.
Firstly most of these comments rifle with insulting and abusing. secondly, logic is blurred, or maybe made deliberately to distract and stir others rational brains. thirdly, critical points have always been and always will be evaded to escape the discussions which would lead to paradoxical conclusion and disastrous damage to their android brains. finally, considering 50 cents reply, it seems that they never read our comments completely, because of their poor English reading skills or retarded comprehending ability (maybe).

then you might see my point: who, as a capable supervisor, would pay a big deal of money on these illogical, point-losing, hysterical, humor-lacking, and childish behavior? I dont know whaz in your mind, but my answer is "absolutely not".

however, if you feel no satisfactory of your current paycheck, please not talk to me. DISCUSS THAT WITH YOUR BOSS. hope they are not penny-pinching.

and about distinguishing Lunzi, 50 cents, and mild dissidence, I have a clear category for you to look up: only 50 cents and these being washed and bleached so badly would support CCP; only Lunzi and 50 cents would do anything with no manners covering their chubby bodies; only Lunzi and 50 cents radiate intense hatred toward Chinese, the former motivated by despair, the later ignorance.

the funniest part of racism is that a large proposition of one race hate themselves. they found disappointment and also cynicism in their own bodies, which is the opposite of narcissism. and the most ironic situation is that the nation always like to blame these people instead of digging deeply to find its own fault responsible for this large scale social disturbance. Then an old opera have been always playing on the stage: nationalism blinds your shortsighted eyes, and rational racism wakes me up. so tell me, which side you want to choose, the ecstatic narcissism or the bitter sobriety?

most people choose that sweet pill, an ineffective placebo, to swallow, to soothe, to simplify that complicated situation. if you want that, may I wish you sweet dream.

Launch A People's War Against Wumao (打响一场反“五毛”的人民战争):

http://www.chinagfw.org/2008/04/blog-post_7523.html

Wumaos Can Be Found Everywhere (满城皆是五毛党):

http://blog.myneverland.org/archives/844

To the shadow.

Making accusations based on nothing is probably the characteristic behaviour of your brand of well educated people.

Playing with words while refusing to provide concrete evidence to back your claim is nothing close to be convincing.

After abolition of communism, 30 years of almost double digit development, creation of a new middle class, 400 millions people out of poverty, you are now looking at a ever freer China and be prepared to hear something you do not want to hear. Sorry, sir/lady you are the one who is brain washed to believe that no Chinese benefit from the last 30 years' reform, all chinese hate their ruling party and no Chinese would support CCP.

There is some thing else Chinese people can choose from instead of from the only choice of two you set up(narcissism and sobriety). That is called optimism. We have plenty of reasons to be optimistic and to believe we Chinese can sort out our problems without outside interference.

It is up to you to choose to communicate with the others in a constructive way or just discredit individuals (you know nothing about) by labling them as wumao or fenqing.

Wumao, these words below must be familiar to you. They have been used to respond the "Canadian pensioner" "sing666":

Thank you for flattering me with "Falon Gong". It's my honour to have chance to be praised as a member of them. They have been fighting the dictator and the evil with peaceful ways for many years, and a large number of them have been detained, tortured, persecuted and butchered by your masters, but they are still persisting in doing that. I am verily unable to have enough condition and volition to become one of them, so, don't apple-polish me once again, please!

Comparing the five-jiaos who are the lowest-ranking animals just as you, they are saints!

The irony is: Australia is a democratic country, you are an "Australian", you elect your leaders and your congress, yet they approved the "Falon Gong" as a legal organization...alackaday...!!! You must want to bash your leaders, but you must bash your head first, don't you?